New era of civility?

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Permalink Reply by Stephen on April 22, 2011 at 7:47am

Well gee, not sure if those guys doing the show he is speaking of are dems, independants or just plain ole Palin haters. I have a friend who works and lives here and also Alaska, a real Alaskan voting  republican ....female.....republican.......has a partner in Alaska who she commutes to see. She hates Palin with a passion. Why? She says Pailn makes women look stupid and  is a horrible legislator. So I don't see the little mans point. Her and Bush Jr would have made a perfect couple.

 

And your civility is......what?

 

Comment by Everett

Stopping giving people something isn't the same as taking it away. That's like saying if you stop giving your kids allowance that you're "taking it away" from them... pure idiocy. And until they (again, you see the word I used there?) pass a bill that prevents people from having abortions by law this assertion is retarded. People are still free to have abortions, they just have to pay for it themselves so to claim that that's the "government telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies" is just plain fucking stupid.

 

Ok I get it.

Permalink Reply by Everett on April 22, 2011 at 4:14pm

You're not very good at pointing out hypocrisy are you? I can't say I'm surprised. I never called for a "new era of civility" or an end to the "violent rhetoric" like the left wing media did after the AZ shootings. (which the left was guilty of back then too btw) I can do whatever the fuck I want because I don't fall in to any political category, I'm pro death, I believe in evolution, I don't believe in any kind of organized religion and I'm slowly starting to become an anti-statist. Does that sound like a republican to you? The hypocrisy here and in the video Melvin posted on the main termite page is found in the vile things said by left wingers in this country but of course it's ok when it's said to or at a right winger. I don't have to be civil because I didn't call for it. A for effort though... ;) LOL

Permalink Reply by Everett on April 23, 2011 at 6:09am

I can't edit now but that should have read "The hypocrisy here and in the video Melvin posted on the main termite page is found in the vile things said by left wingers in this country who are the very ones who called for an end to this kind of thing, but of course it's ok when it's said to or at a right winger."

Permalink Reply by Stephen on April 22, 2011 at 10:48am

Actually it has been proven that any woman with any higher education and intellignece does not approve or Palin.

Permalink Reply by Everett on April 23, 2011 at 6:07am

Higher "education" LOL If I ever have children not only will I not let them go to a gov't run public school, I will also forbid them from going to a brainwashing, liberal producing elitist factory. By that I mean college, I know now that I have to spell shit out for you... ;) LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXhmTz_0M&feature=player_embedded

Permalink Reply by Stephen on April 23, 2011 at 10:36am

Obviously we are not going to change each others views. Trying to convince someone who does not want to allow people to have the right to obortion that he himself has done baffles me. Then again, by his own admission he can barely support himself and is happy he did have an abortion...all the while not wanting to allow people the same choice baffles me. And further....wanting to allow more tax cuts for the rich while he himself says he can barely afford to take care of himself baffles me even further.

 

It has been proven more tax relief to the super wealthy has not produced jobs, only allowing the super rich to become more wealth stock piling more wealth. If giving more tax relief to the rich to produce more jobs is a real benefit, heck lets just have them pay no taxes at all and the middle class pay for everything. 

 

Oh...darn...thats exactly what republicans want isin't it?

 

So, no use me arguing my silly points. Have fun and post away.

I gots bigger fish to fry out there.

Permalink Reply by Everett on April 23, 2011 at 12:33pm

It's obviously not hard to baffle you.

How is me not wanting to help pay for other people's abortions with my tax dollars the same as not ALLOWING people to have an abortion? Have you been paying any attention at all? Find a single quote from me stating that I think people shouldn't be ALLOWED to have abortions and I'll run away with my tail between my legs like you should have long ago in this convo. Lol You really need to work on your comprehension skills.

"It has been proven"? Says you. Yet another unsubstantiated assertion. I want richies to have as many reasons to spend their money as possible. This equates to more flooring installations, hopefully ones of the ornate variety. (It equates to more than that of course but that's what specifically concerns chaps like me and you) You people act like the richies are just hoarding their money, watching their bank account grow or swimming around in it like Scrooge McDuck. What's the point of having money other than spending it on nice things? Instead of everyone being so concerned with getting their "piece of the pie", maybe we should just bake more pies...

Permalink Reply by Everett on April 23, 2011 at 12:57pm

I'll try this link again:

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-con...

 

It's older but coming from near the end of the Bush presidency might be more apropo in this case. (even though every time someone ignorantly says "you can't fix 8 years of Bush policies in just a year and a half" they conveniently forget who owned congress during the last 2 years of his presidency... when did the shit hit the fan btw? LOL)

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume you won't read that link this time either, so here are some excerpts from it:

 

"The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shoul­dered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per­cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don’t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare."

 

"It’s true that the distribution of taxes is somewhat more equally divided when payroll taxes are accounted for—but the change is surprisingly small. Payroll taxes of 15 percent are charged on the first dollar of income earned by a worker, and most of the tax is capped at an income of just below $100,000. The Tax Policy Center, run by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, recently studied payroll and income taxes paid by each income group. The richest 1 percent pay 27.5 percent of the combined burden, the top 20 percent pay 72 percent, and the bottom 20 percent pay just 0.4 percent. One reason that the disparity in tax shares is so large is that Americans in the bottom quintile who have jobs get reimbursed for some or all of their 15 percent payroll tax through the earned-income tax credit (EITC), a fairly efficient poverty-abatement program."

 

"But haven’t the tax cuts put more of the burden on the backs of the middle class and the poor? (Hurr Derr)

No. I examined the Treasury Department analysis of how much the rich would have paid without the Bush tax cuts and how much they actually did pay. The rich are now paying more than they would have paid, not less, after the Bush investment tax cuts. For example, the Treasury’s estimate was that the top 1 percent of earners would pay 31 percent of taxes if the Bush cuts did not go into effect; with the cuts, they actually paid 37 per­cent. Similarly, the share of the top 10 percent of earners was estimated at 63 percent without the cuts; they actually paid 68 percent."

 

"There is no correlation between tax rates and deficits in recent U.S. history. The spike in the federal deficit in the 1980s was caused by massive spending increases."

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lol

 

"As legend has it, the famous “Laffer Curve” was first drawn by economist Arthur Laffer in 1974 on a cocktail napkin at a small dinner meeting attended by the late Wall Street Journal editor Robert Bartley and such high-powered policymakers as Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Laffer showed how two different rates—one high and one low—could produce the same revenues, since the higher rate would discourage work and investment. The Laffer Curve helped launch Reaganomics here at home and ignited a frenzy of tax cutting around the globe that continues to this day. It’s also one of the simplest concepts in economics: lowering the tax rate on production, work, investment, and risk-taking will spur more of these activities and will often produce more tax revenue rather than less. Since the Reagan tax cuts, the United States has created some 40 million new jobs—more than all of Europe and Japan combined."

 

Shit, I guess you were right, it has been proven... :eyesarenowpermanentlystuckintherolledposition:

Permalink Reply by Dale Rosilio on April 23, 2011 at 1:48pm

Interesting 40 million new jobs? Reagan created 18mil, Clinton 22mil and Dubya 4mil and those tax cuts that Bush enacted? The fucking Population rose by a mere 27mil over the past decade and where have these jobs that are being created created? Low wage service industry jobs like Walmart, Kmart and McDonalds? Part-time jobs? Are the statistics you provide a bit skewed grasshopper? LOL.... The Jobs that are being created are not the same jobs that ignited our "greatest" economic boom and with the furthering advances of modern technology to make companies more productive and actual human bodies less of a requirement , that middle class will keep eroding and we'll just create a more modern Feudalistic society

 

 

You may want the Richies to drive the economy so you get work but the Middle class drives the economy...........

Permalink Reply by Everett on April 23, 2011 at 6:18pm

Awe, did widdew owd Stephen need big bad Dale to step in and pwotect him?? :bottomlipstickingout: LOL

 

At least that post resembled a real response...

 

"that middle class will keep eroding and we'll just create a more modern Feudalistic society"

 

Where's the fire? Seems rather hypothetical to me.

 

"You may want the Richies to drive the economy so you get work but the Middle class drives the economy..........."

 

More baseless assertions. That's just part of it, I think it's obvious through empirical mathematics that taxing the rich isn't some godsend that's gonna pull us out of this mess. Even Obama realized that when it came to extending the Bush tax cuts. Now he's in campaign mode and appealing to the middle and low class by bringing up taxing the rich again, speaking of an about face... LOL

 

I know you don't give a shit, you've made that quite clear, but you've proven nothing to me. I mean, am I supposed to just trust any part of that post on blind faith? After all, as procomfort said "just because some don't 'believe', - doesn't mean it's not True" right? ;) LOL

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/110258/us-economy-is-i...

Permalink Reply by Dale Rosilio on April 23, 2011 at 6:39pm

Bush tax cuts = 4.4 million jobs 27 mil pop growth? I rest......;)

Permalink Reply by Dale Rosilio on April 23, 2011 at 6:44pm

As a side note our greatest economic downturns happened when the top marginal tax rates were at their lowest and our great economic increase were when that rate was near or at it's highest....

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